10/11/2012 0 Comments "Sticker Price" for CollegeI recently listened to an article from APM American RadioWorks about colleges who are "lowering" their prices. The woman interviewed for the podcast, Sandy Baum of George Washington University, had the gall to say that no students pay "sticker price" for their education...
What?!? I, personally, have never paid anything BUT "sticker price." When I attended Northern Virginia Community College, I paid 18.35/credit hour, one class at a time, to complete my community college degree. At the time that was "sticker price." When I left that college the tuition rates had moved to $22/credit hour, still a reasonable rate for someone to pay their way through school. When I finished my bachelors degree at the University of Phoenix in 1998, I still paid "sticker price" for my education. And now, with my Masters Degree completed I am looking at nearly $75,000 in student loans to pay off for the rest of my life. All institutions, I attended, were more than happy to let me pay "sticker price" for my education. Now, I have mortgaged my retirement. Did any of these institutions offer me assistance other than pointing me to the Student Loan programs? No. In fact, when I was accepted to the University of Central Florida, when I completed my Associates degree, I applied for 37 different scholarships, pulling out anything that might help me qualify (learning disabilities, non-traditional student, child of a veteran...), and not a single scholarship found me a qualifying candidate for their awards. I was completely broke, no savings, no real income, and still I could not qualify for any of the "relief" money available. So, no, Sandy Baum, I do not agree, at all, with your assertions that nearly every student doesn't actually pay sticker price. I paid "sticker price" as did the vast majorities of my peers. If you made it this far in my BLOG, please take my survey and tell me how you paid for school after high school. I don't believe that academics should be studying themselves, as they cannot be completely objective. Let's put our voices together and find out the reality of our educational lives.
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After starting back to college in 2008 for a second Bachelors degree in Photography, in just a few more weeks I complete my Master's degree in Adult Education and Training. This was a long and meandering path to this degree but learned some really important lessons along the way. If you know me, I wouldn't have it any other way! :) Lesson 1 Go back to school only when you can pay for it out of savings, pocket or through investments. When I finish my degree I will have nearly $70,000 in student loans and interest to repay. At nearly 43 years old, if I can afford the equivalent of a really nice car payment for the next 10 years, I will have only 10 more years to really sock money away for a legitimate retirement. Lesson 2 Find a way to 'try before you buy.' I spent a year in the second bachelors degree program for photography, then another year in the Master's degree program, thinking that the programs would help me learn the skills I needed to make my artistic image, in my view finder, come out as an equally interesting image for others to enjoy. However, what I learned was about being an artist and how to critique others. My lighting course was the one course I was sure would teach me about the mechanics of my photographs. After two years and $40,000 in student loans, I realized that I was never going to be a commercial photographer in order to pay that money back. So, I began hunting for a new program. I found the University of the Rockies and their Organizational Leadership program. I was very excited by the program because it was touted as the "soft skills MBA." That sounded very interesting to me, I liked that the school had previously focused only on clinical psychology but had begun offering an Organizational Leadership program. What I didn't know was the program was piggy-backing off of the current clinical psychology courses. While there are similar concepts to learn, the application is very different. I realized during my first semester, and after another $5,000 in tuition and costs, that this was not the right choice either. So, now I am pushing $50,000 in debt and no degree. One of my professors at the University of the Rockies noted on one of my assignments that I was a "natural teacher." This sparked my thoughts toward an education Master's degree. There I found the University of Phoenix program for Adult Education and Training. This sounded, on paper, to be the very best choice for me. I was already a trainer teaching adults. Still, the program, while interesting and informative, was not a "home run" for me. This program was much more like a law school degree. We spend two years learning theory, and practice waits for after completion. I can say I did learn many things during this last 18 months and I worked very hard to apply the theories within my current position. However, I felt that there were a lot of K-12 educators who could not relate to the differences of adult learners in a corporate environment. Understanding that adults, coming to training, come from a range of backgrounds and attitudes toward education, is vital to offering a positive experience for adult trainees. Don't get me wrong, I am proud of my accomplishment, but I really wish I could have tried some of these before spending the equivalent of a house on three different programs. Lesson 3 Spend time getting to know your strengths. I always knew I was comfortable as a teacher/trainer; but, I was not the strongest student in high school and being a dyslexic (and dysgraphic) and my only real understanding of education was traditional K-12 or finishing my PHD to teach in academia. I also did not relish the idea of being a teacher in a traditional classroom. A friend of mine suggested I was an "alpha gamer" even though I am not a "gamer." What he meant was when I get excited about any topic I share it with anyone who will listen, and that excitement can be infectious. I love technology and I love all the new innovations coming out every year. I admit it, I am a bit of a tech geek. What does this all mean about knowing your strengths? I am a non-traditional educator motivated and inspired by the new innovations of this age. Knowing that now, I would have gone into Instructional Design and development as opposed to straight adult education and training. That would have tied more of my strengths and desires. But! I am not going into further debt to go back for that. So, I will take my education and work on innovating from there. I am sure there are many more lessons I learned throughout this process, but those are my top three and I am caught wondering what will I do when I am done? I won't know what to do with myself. What else do I want to learn? I always used to say I was a "Jane of all trades, master of none." Now, I can say, I am a "Jane of all Trades, Master of One!" Please do not read my rantings about cost deter you from reaching for your goals. Just think clearly about the long term costs of taking on student loans when you are older. 1/1/2012 0 Comments "Occupy" college graduates... Who's really at fault for the specialized degrees?I was considering, recently, the few signs posted on the Web by some about how recent college graduates have such specialized degrees that they shouldn't be surprised they can't find gainful employment. This got me thinking, where does the blame really lie? Who encouraged these students to be so specialized? Where were the college advisors when they headed down that path?
I am approaching the completion of my Master's degree in Adult Education and Training and while I am hopeful, I will continue to be gainfully employed, I regret returning to college and taking on student loans to pay for it. I often wonder if I had had a chance to "try" the courses before buying into the program, I may not be looking down the barrel of $60,000 in college debt. Had I realized that it was going to cost me an additional car payment for ten years. When I am done paying off my student loans, I will have no time left to set that money aside for my retirement. When I started back to school in 2008, I figured, two years down the road, I would be able to start a small business and quit my "day job." After $40,000 in loans, I realized that I was never going to recoup my investment. But! I couldn't see myself just quitting, having to pay back loans with nothing to show for them. So, what does one do? We find another program that "might" bring about the ability to recoup the investment. That is how I ended up in my current program. I booked the remainder of my outstanding loans to make sure that I was not going to have to add any more to my student loans, but that apparently that wasn't enough. So, in order to have something to show for my degree, I have to apply for, yet another, student loan. When all is said and done, I will be in over $60,000 in debt and no additional income potential. So, would I have been better off not attending? Or, would I have been better off with some consideration and counseling? What about all these young people who were interested in specialized subject matter? Where were the curriculum and academic counselors when these students headed down the this road? To answer the first questions: I simply regret the amount of time and money wasted heading down the wrong road. Spending time with some fully informed persons and having the ability "try before we buy" would have helped me find a better path. If I had a chance to go back to 2008 and speak to 38 year old me, I would have said, "if you want to go back to school, think about what you do every day and how you can be better with education, and DON'T TAKE ON A STUDENT LOAN! Use your 401K or save up until you have enough to pay for school." Now, as far as these young students and their specialized degrees... What would I tell these students when these students were registering for these classes? First and foremost, I would do my best to express the importance to consider the real skills and knowledge needed in the working world. Liberal Arts, general studies, degrees, for non-skill-specialized students, is a great way to show that you can read, write and reason. Those skills are vital today and tomorrow, despite the technologies and advances. If a potential employee shows the ability to learn, they are valuable above and beyond today's technical skills. So, what should college counselors consider when helping students determine what path is best for them? Pay attention to the student and the environment within which they will be looking for work in just a few years. Help students understand that if they want to be gainfully employed when they graduate, take the time to consider their skills and what will make them a valuable candidate upon completion of their degree. I believe it is time to reconsider how students attend and complete their college educations at all levels. If you want to be a specialized degree seeker, then you will need to make sure you are the very best in your field. If you are not going to be the very best in the field, maybe something more well rounded is your better path. |
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